Can you also please send a picture of the floors with the seal and traffic HD? The instructions on the bottle is straight forward. While I am not happy that we are all having this issue - I am somewhat relived to see that I am actulally not losing my mind that this look should be achievable in some fashion . It still should not come off. The ClassicSeal will offer a hint of yellow but will not be horrible. Granite and Quartzite have completely different make-ups. The floors are being installed and finished by Brazilian Floors (they have several locations in the D.C. metro area). It was applied Saturday morning.". My new white oak floors have 1 coat of Bona Natural Seal and 2 coats of Bona Traffic HD satin. They do their own fuming there I found it interesting to learn about that too. Originally, I had declared never to Quartz after reading peoples complaints about chipping and cracks. A sand/refinish of an existing floor = $4-$5/sf. My contractor said that I will probably need to use the renew oil every few year which I am fine with. @Lisa Pearen it would help with identification if you post photos. Bona Craft oil 2K oiled floor in COLOR Air and dogs. Our cabinet maker hasn't been able to match what we are hoping for. I appreciate your pros helping on all these questions. @mtpo - Your floors look BEAUTIFUL, thank you for sharing the pics, I can't wait to see the final product. First - The second pic you gave looks really weird. We have 4 inch white oak installed, but I was reading through your post and have no clue where they are from. I would bet it would come in at the same price as a "buff and coat" (national average = $3/sf). WebWe ended up using one coat of Bona natural sealer and two coats of HD matte on the floors. Thanks so much in advance!! Emily Henderson has a white metal railing in her split level home that is pretty gorgeous and widely photographed. However, as you can see from the photo, after the first coat, yellow dominated the room. There was a warning on the front door telling everyone to stay out. No scrape, no scratch, no nothing. If a few hundred dollars (or even more), meant the difference between loving my finished product and hating it, I felt having samples was well worth the cost. Thanks for leaving this up. The real way this is tested is actually even meaner to the floor - normally you take a box cutter, cross-hatch the floor (IE cut it in a grid pattern), and then put the tape on it and rip it up. 1 coat of nordic seal will subtly lighten the color of white oak, while 2 coats of nordic seal will make it significantly lighter. (It looks a little pink on my IPad - its not in real life. Christina check out Rubio monocoat Gris belge Havana Slate grey These greys are very popular and with the matte sheen you will absolutely love them. I told the contractor, if he could remove the first-coat finish, I would purchase the right finish for him to use. And, to be fair to the above poster. Thank you. It doesn't make sense. He installed the floors beautifully, but installed red oak even though I showed him a sample of pre-finished white stained white oak. I like the stains that are made by the same company that makes the finish. Ours is from Norway. Watching them put it on, it doesnt look like the work applying it would be more than other finish products. Thank you for your input. They are one of my very favorite things in my (soon to be) new house. Good luck! A friend of mine had her red oak floors sanded and bleached to get the pink out and then sealed them. @Moran Blueshtein. 1 coat per day, buffing every coat for extra smoothness. @ Moran.now I see where this has come up. Our contractor informed me that it is significantly more expensive, $2500 more expensive. Some people complain that is hard to live with finish, because for example foot marks while walking barefoot. I did a larger sample of Unico smoke, covered with their Titan (goes on with a roller) and tested it with salty water, red wine and vinegar. Home Layout Changes - Full Remodel - Please help me decide! All the questions and answers have been helpful to me when I have come looking, so I wanted to post photos from today that will possibly help others choose. The matte helps scratches blend. Curtains will block the bookcase. White oak stain is also famous. Let him fix it ONCE. It's hard to tell how deep those scratches are. Our project starts on Dec 5. If you go natural, then ask yourself ONE question: "Do I like 'honey oak'?" If you answered NOOOOOOOO! Yes, thsts bleached and toned oak with a matte finish. I had no idea that white oak looks different when grown in one geographical area versus another. I guess it could help but honestly unless someone has your exact home with your ecxat light it is still just a guess . Let's see how long this finish last. I have found some great inspirational pictures. Thank you to all of the experts for weighing in. WebBona NaturalSeal is designed to be the foundation or first coat of a three-coat water-based system, so dont just use it for all your layers, thinking you are being clever and saving money. But they did just complete a project with Bona NordicSeal. You should look it up. If others have experience with this product would love them to chime in. We are prepping for a remodel and I have been using my kids roll of art paper and taping it to the ceiling to construct mock ups of potential walls. It seems much darker than the close up picture with the paper removed Just wondering which is closer to what you see in person? It looks like the grain is *very* deep on the board to the left. Absolutely love the matte finish. Indem Sie auf Annehmen klicken, stimmen Sie dem zu. I originally wanted Corian in the kitchen with a stainless area (Near the cooktop) because they withstand abuse, can be refinished and are hygenic. My contractor recommended leaving it natural and using a Bona Mega finish which was supposed to dry clear. Really not read much about IntenSeal? Thank you SJ McCarthy for your expertise and explanation of time between coats, drying time and curing time. Our hardwood installer and contractor use DuraSeal products often and Bona Mega. I'd love to know if you end up liking your final product and would welcome any photos! I am interested to Nordic seal on my project as well. are you happy with these floors or wish you would have gone darker? And I do find myself wishing I had done 3 coats of Bona Traffic HD - just to give them more protection. There are some lap lines on the floors from the sealer. Ive read quite a few different comments on all 3 and some seem conflicting. Okay we have decided to go with Bona Traffic HD in extra matte! And finally, a 'fit' *might include costs.but it should be much lower on the list than you might think. These were my red oak in a medium stain and you can definitely see the red undertone: My SIL did a darker stain on her floors and she says the cleaning is brutal. 3 coats of HD.I am OOT so will post photos when I get home. Unfortunately, we have put our kitchen reno on hold. It still a major upgrade from Bona MEGa. Dream Spaces: 12 Beautiful White Kitchens, White Cabinets Remain at the Top of Kitchen Wish Lists, Kitchen of the Week: Brick, Wood and Clean White Lines, Kitchen of the Week: A Designer's Budget Wood-and-White Makeover, New This Week: 3 Beautifully Balanced White Kitchens, Kitchen of the Week: White, Wood, Gray and a Backsplash Surprise, 5 Countertops That Look Beautiful in a White Kitchen, Kitchen of the Week: Fans of Traditional Style Go For a Mad Men Look. 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Just my 2 cents worth but typically, OAK flooring will shrink/expand ACROSS the grain it's usually pretty stable end to end, as with most hardwood species. Dark floors are pretty popular with clients but as you mention usually going with white or painted cabinets. I think we can make Traffic HD work in our budget if we hold off on a few things and I can convince my husband. The company that supplied the raw wood and the installer both recommend Bona products. If you look at my photos above, the wood sample with one coat of Bona Natural sealer and one coat of Matte Traffic HD looked nice too but looked horrible with one coat of Natural and 3 coats of satin Traffic HD. Also, how many coats of sealer did you use? It looks like the grain is *very* deep on the board to the left. My sister has Neolith and loves it (clean up a breeze but she does have nicks near her sink after 1 year). Classic seall will add more tan/yellow. Find the right local pro on Houzz to kickstart your project. If you you know you are doing something we offer on floor samples (3x3) in many combinations and finishes. It did not affect the color. Try this color if you want a darker shade. WebBona ClassicSeal Floor sealer highlighting the wood's natural color Size: 1 gal Find a distributor Information Documents Key benefits Minimizes tannin bleed, especially on white oak Exceptionally clear, highlighting true color of wood VOC Compliant Seals the wood, preventing the finish from penetrating Information I am aware that it will require maintenance but most things do so Im fine with it. Im very happy with them and they are exactly the look I wanted. (I didnt think about this before adding the bookcases.) I asked for, but he never did, an all country white one. I could only post one photo at a time. Our contractor unfortunately was in a hurry so we didnt test many potential finishes. BTW -/ we learned that the color of the wood is different and takes the sealer or stain differently depending on where it is from. Choosing finish on white oak floor. It was so clean, perfect match for my cabinets, so WHITE (no yellow, gray or beige cast). They didnt have classic to sample, but the sand/finish guy said it would be closer to the Natural than IntenSeal. I know one of the Milesi products in the natural effects side does contain a UV filter. Quartzite is a metamorphic stone.. Sandstone converts to Quartzite from extreme heat and pressure. 2 coats at the right coverage is more than enough for low traffic areas. WebBona DriFast Stain mix of White and Grey with two coats of Bona NaturalSeal and finished off with Mega ONE on this beautiful floor by Beyond The Grain Custom Design with Territory Manager, Jeff Offredo, on site. He can 'cut in' the edges of the floor with a brush, bite a sandwich, chew, take a drink, go toilette, come back and work the job with a T-barand STILL have time to go over several sections if it looks 'dry'. I also have some design software that may help with your need. Never to be heard from again. Whaaaaat???? Combining Bona NaturalSeal with a matte-sheen finish such as Bona Traffic Naturale preserves that look and gives your floor the That makes SOOOO much sense. Use Bona Naturaseal for the look you want. We are wrapping up our new build and the floor stain choice was today. You can use Poloplaz Pearl sealer with Endure or Pallmann's Pall-x white seal and Pall-x Pure. The builder already ordered the wood. @mtpo did you use a satin or matte finish? When I get to see them, Ill post pics. Flooring guys are the best since they are redoing to make me happy. Thanks so much! We tried a few Duraseal stains on samples and none of them were right. @mtpo We are also considering the Bona nordic seal on white oak. William Smith, D.D., was Do you have high ceilings ? I have my fingers crossed that I wont see white stripes when all the protective paper is pulled up. According to WFB's 2020 State of the Industry Contractor Survey Report, in 2019 red oak made up 48% of installed species and white oak made up 32% Snowy cabinets and walls speak to a certain elegance, while marble counters whisper of luxury, Give your joints a break while you're standing at the stove, with these resilient and beautiful materials for kitchen floors, Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, Dream Spaces: 12 Beautiful White Kitchens, 7 Kitchen Flooring Materials to Boost Your Cooking Comfort. As G & S states, the sealers will not AMBER over time (as in get DARKER) but the IntenseSeal and the ClassicSeal will offer SOME tan/yellow. !Are you happy with the Satin? WebBona DriFast Stain is a premium quick-drying stain for interior hardwood floors. The edge is not as nicely finished as the Corian. How should I adjust these home plans to save $ or improve the layout. The more coats you apply, the lighter it becomes. That leave NaturalSeal, ClassicSeal and IntenSeal. Maybe a snick less because they won't be using any product. My guess would be red oak since they have gone more orange. It may come in other thicknesses too. Don't test just with sealer. The samples are done AFTER you hire the professional but BEFORE you put down the stain! I agree that Bona Natural or Bona Classic will likely be what we choose. 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Also, the guy said they usually apply the sealer one day, then one or two finish coats the next day (running into the 3rd day depending on how it dries). I wish I had the link, but there are others that used a combination of stains with weathered oak as the base and it is beautiful as well. @Ashley I just want to lay down on my floors and HUG them!! Once you and your professional shake hands and write a contract that's when they come in and start the job. Web$55.00 Mainstays Farmhouse Oversized Floral Cream Area Rug, 7x10 for sale in Murray, UT on KSL Classifieds. I will report back once I have the application on a sample board. The supplier may help you out. (Just read the dog drool threads.) Each to their own. @mtpo sorry to bring this thread back. Loba in any of its water based formats (low gloss keeps it from looking "finished") options will do exactly what you want. Most of the base cabinets are covered with cardboard to protect them. Hi everyone! Dry finish. Most of the articles I read suggested that 3 protective coats is the way to go. I still hope to get my dream kitchen. Carlyweiss, your post and pictures are so helpful for those of us in the choosing process. Any specific fillers recommended for the knots & gaps ? Came out a little lighter, but it all depends on your preference. - I got the curved 1/4 backsplash (if you can call that a backsplash). I guess it's my monitor because I don't see the pink undertone in the Houzz photo you last posted. First - The second pic you gave looks really weird. There are FAAAAR too many 'dudes' out there that call themselves pros. Bona sealer to avoid uneven tannin pull due to using a water based poly, (especially on white oak), no stain, then Bona Traffic HD. Also did the installer abrade between the seal & finish coats? Ive had 5 character grade white oak installed. It is a way for everyone to see how easy it is to misunderstand posts. Ask for Bona Mega One. If you are in the area, you may want to visit Cochrans showroom. Thanks. I will have to follow up. WebIt was natural that he should seek an education in that city and from that institution, for both were allied to him by ties of no ordinary significance. WebChapter IV - Four Eyes Were Reading the Passage I was running the head of my pencil-case along the line as I read it, and something caused me to raise my eyes. Ahhhh. You should be able to try to scrape it (drag it hard across at any angle), dent it (press your nail in), etc, and nothing visible *at all* should happen. I read on the Bona website (and others) that TrafficHD coverage was 350-400sf/gal. white oak floors, stain them or leave natural? One more thing, the rooms Ive put this flooring in are the master bedroom, guest bedroom and an office, so no heavily trafficked areas. @tkgriff which did you go with and do you like? The Corian fabricator came back and polished them just like new. Our cabinet maker will be finishing them, not us. Paint them over a piece of white paper and the finish turns orange all by itself! The correct answer should be "nothing at all". One coat Bona Natural Seal A very slight natural stain similar to the white oak color of our floors. thanks, so much. I looked at the bona product and it states it contains a small amount of white pigment? I love the natural, light color of the hardwood. Don't change chemical companies in the middle of a refinish. @mtpo Your floors are beautiful. Red and white oak floors are increasing in popularity. Finalize your sanding with 150 grit and apply the first coat. Anything over 700 square feet for me is done in multiple days. Oak floors are beautiful and timeless. Please hire someone first before asking them to put down 'colour patches'. They are not even good choices for low care floors. Dear Doane, A well established hardwood flooring company (a "ma and pa" type store) will have the big machines to get the product off of your floor. They are very unforgiving and I can't imagine these floors in a house with kids and a dog. It is my impression that this as raw wood had less variation in color from one board to another and less pronounced grain and was a bit lighter than the American white oak or the other European white oak I saw. I used a custom color mix of about 2/3 mist and 1/3 white stain. Nice when a risk pays off . He just did coat #2, not sure how much he used. Founded in 1919, Bona offers products for most premium floor surfaces including That seems light to me, but he said it was sufficient (that word doesnt make me feel convinced). Also what do you mean by toned oak? He will then send the sample to a Sherwin Williams Product Finishes Store and they will match the sample. Look forward to more pictures. It is my understanding that these Bona products are tricky to apply. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. @Jonathan Margareten- I read through my old post, and am not sure if thats what we ended up doing. My husband and I had 5" white oak floors installed and we are like the look of one coat of Bona Nordic Seal and two coats of satin water based polyurethane on our floors. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. Many, many, many more professional grade finishes. Finished with three matte protective coats. The info is helpful and Im discerning enough to sort out immature comments. @Ryan Danielson what did you end up going with? The light white washing will give you the raw look. They just came out with the same wood thats 1/8 inch thinner as an option. DH wants to just go with light maple cabinets and I am tempted. will slightly darken the floors and sort of intensify the variation (the sample boards almost looked wet to me). And all the answers. For a house your size and a $50k budget. Will there be less haze if we use a satin finish? A unique way of customizing your floor from a light whitewash to successive coats, providing a truly Scandinavian look. Thank you! ), Share pics of white oak hardwood floors stained with Bona (1st home!). The advanced technology formula provides speed and high performance for hardwood floor finishing professionals. WebUsing Bona NordicSeal to Create a Whitewashed Hardwood Floor Ever since greige became a big trend, people have been trying to lighten up their homes. I got attacked on this thread or another Houzz thread by a contractor for mentioning Rubio for cabinets but I did a ton of research and looked at pictures and it is what we went with. Is this permissible to use on cabinets. A quick scan of my question and then a quick scan of your answer simply lead G & S to believe all 3 coats were put down same day.which happens more than you really want to know. Milesi Natural 2k? @mtpo your floors are SO beautiful, do you know where they were ordered from and cost per sq ft? I would have loved to find a simpler, cheaper, regular old stain, but they just don't give me the same look I'm trying to achieve. Back to square one. I asked for, but he never did, an all country white one. I dont recall the price of the lumber / the price our builder charged us (he ordered it on his account). Floors look VERY good! We got our hardwood lumber from a lumber mill in Berryville, VA. I could also put hot pots on the stainless. Of course, none of this is more than 3 foot square sampleand not my kitchen floor, but we are hopeful that we have an answer. That 'fit' can include their ability to communicate. Seems I also read that it may not even cover that much some places. Which is why I posted asking for people's experiences today, but I never received any replies. We were advised to wait until the economy rebounds. If you like to see a shiny floor RIGHT AFTER you clean the floor (because it makes you feel like you've accomplished something) then you are what I refer to as a 'clean-shiny' person. It has come out very well. I originally wanted a chocolate color but realized I like more contrast between floor and furnishings than a mid tone would give me. My stomach-- which had been in a knot for a year due to indecision relaxed. . It still should not come off. Press it very hard into the coating, and rip it up. The finish guy said he put on 1.5 gal on the first coat of TrafficHD. We want to stay away from adding a yellow, green, pink or orange tint to the floor. Heres a close up. I can see the installer has the ABILITY to do make this finish workhe just ran out of time and money because of his bid (which was too low for full glue). Hey Merrilyn, looks like we are in the same boat. I was asked two separate questions. We just installed 5 white oak throughout our home. So they use 3 gal of product and it appears the TrafficHD is $100/gal more +/- than the cheaper stuff. Thanks! I hope some of this information is helpful. @Bongo. I prefer to see three coats of finishbut if you MUST save money while still using Traffic HD then you can go down to two coats. Im trying to stay with the natural look. This is part and parcel of your payment. And rubio makes a treatment for acid stains. His maternal grandfather, Justice Thomas Smith, had been for many years a prominent lawyer and a distinguished judge in Philadelphia, and his maternal great-uncle, the Rev. I went to the Neolith east coast showroom and actually picked something out I loved but my builders fabricator talked me out of it. Then the installer goes over it a second time causing lap marks or white lines. Amber did of course have the amber/yellow tone - though not as much as I expected. The picture I attached is with one coat of Bona Mega using no stain. If you are someone who loves the look of the 'raw floor' but you HATE the hazy look of NaturalSeal, then I HIGHLY recommend going with the satin. I havent figured out if Im going to use any window coverings yet. Maybe I will just buy new bathrobes for me and DH instead. Just seemed so right. Why would you use Bona Nordic Seal (Bona productobviously) and then go with LOBA??? The good news is the installer will have learned his lesson: do NOT under bid a project just to win it. Color we like the Bona Nordic best and the Bona Natural second, but they both have a muddy haze when you see them in real life. did you have a contract or at least an email stating you wanted white oak? Here are some of my samples. I personally feel a reputable stone supplier and fabricator will educate you in mineral composition, stone formation, and inform you how and where the stones are quarried. Please continue to post pictures of your kitchen. Just about the time I had to FINALLY make a decision (about a year later than when I started due to the architects goof ups and COVID shut downs), the Corian fabricator sent me a couple 4x4 samples of Glacier White. So due to budget going to have to give this a go on my own. Can they be easily buffed out with a non-scratch sponge? I acknowledged that there would be an upcharge for the TrafficHD and expected it. p.s. It is the single most abused/used FINISH ('finish' means 'pretty) in your home. I have had the same inspiration kitchen photo for months. Bona Traffic (original) is two steps up from Mega. We installed almost 3000 sq ft throughout our home and it is the most important feature of our renovation. Being able to apply multiple coats in a day, depends on the square footage of the project. @Ryan Danielson, I just told my cabinet maker to go ahead and order my cabinet doors in the rift oak so I've only got a couple of weeks to get this figured out. It requires a special approach. Or Bona Traffic + their stain line. That means you relate clean with shiny. thanks, All! How are things holding up a ~year later? I hope they hold up to daily use. Yep. @tkgriff I love your floors and am thinking about going for much the same look! Very patient. its been so long since I posted - Id have to read through my old posts to recall the sealer we used. NO true Quartzite will etch. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. Absolutely love the matte finish. Contact your Bona rep to understand all the options with the Bona System or view our catalog here: https://bit.ly/3eqqhSK. And DuraSeal is not necessarily considered "professional grade". is the only way to go. Unfortunately I don't remember how many layers of each. How to best deal with prominent railings in split level home, Durability of white macabus quartzite vs. quartz. 3 coats in one day. For the finish, use a water-based product, not an oil-based product which can yellow from sun exposure over time. The correct answer should be "nothing at all". Yours looks so light and bright. We told the company to put 3 coats of the Bona product on the floors. How 'cheap' do you want to go with something that important? It's a installer issue. My flooring guy said (and backed it up with a sample) that a water-based sealant with *no tint* (I think Bona ClassicSeal?) I want to make sure the floor is fully coated and not have to buff and finish again sooner than would normally be necessary. When was the last coat applied? @Jessica Lirag what did you end up with? Their availability (not alwaysbut sometimes) or their LACK of availability (the best people are ALWAYS BOOKED months in advance). If not, you can at least trivially test the floor: First. He can work a section. We see it FAR to often (as in DAILY) on this forum. Your floors are beautiful. Light, white sealed floors or dark dramatic floors? We went with natural seal and traffic HD finish. See the before and afters and why we chose this color. It is the way it is normally done. Oil wax floor finishes are poor choices for cabnet finishes. The cost of the floors is such a big expenditure that I didnt even ask the installer if or how much he was charging me for the samples I chalked it up to the overall cost of the floors. My cabinets are a true white (forgot name of paint) and all of the Dekton with a white background was too gray. We will be going with something close to that. In this angle Nordic is on the right and Natural is on the left. It will 'deepen' the colour you see (ie. and 3 coats of Satin (which satin did you choose since there are 5 satins from Bona).
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